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Making the move to Mumbai
6 May 2008COMMENTS
These numbers work with local experience & local education. One needs to compete with grads from the Indian Institutes of Management for these positions. London experience doesn't usually carry much water in Mumbai. Read all comments »Wall Street and the Square Mile might be kicking investment bankers into the street, but India is taking them on by the team-load.
Sourabh Chattopadhyay, director of recruiters Options Group in Mumbai, says local players are competing for people with international banks: “Some international banks have lost key people in the last year and must bring in new talent to be competitive. Similarly, local players like Kotak, Enam and Edelweiss have been really building their investment banking platforms.”
UBS is looking to double its investment banking team in India; Citigroup has hired an Indian MD in preparation for an expansion; Merrill’s John Thain has said he wants to up the bank’s Indian operations; Goldman is launching new services; and even Dresdner is getting in on the act.
Hiring is aggressive, poaching is rife, and banks are lifting whole teams out of competitors, Chattopadhyay says.
Generous payouts are encouraging some Indian bankers, who might otherwise have worked in London or New York, to consider their options. Milan Sharma, a Masters in Finance student at London Business School and former assistant vice president in Axis Bank’s i-banking division, says he ideally wants to work in the City, but has already had a number of offers back in India.
“At a typical base of $100k, it’s not great money by Western standards, but the cost of living in Mumbai is considerably lower than in London,” he says.
Indian firms still opportunistically tap UK talent, but don’t expect to be treated like royalty, says Ronesh Puri, managing director of the New Delhi office of search firm Executive Access.
“Previously there was a dearth of good talent locally, and there was a premium paid for Western experience, but that’s no longer the case.”
M&A pay in top-tier Indian investment banks
Analyst (1st-3rd years) £20k-£32.5k (base), £25k-£40k (bonus)
Associate (1st-3rd years) £35k-£50k (base), £30k-£65k (bonus)
Vice president £62k (base), £100k-£138k (bonus)
Director £75k (base), £200k-£250k (bonus)
Managing director £100k (base), £300k-£400k (bonus)
Source: The Options Group (original figures in Indian rupees, converted at £1 = INR79.85)
COMMENTS
Local AAAce, Trading, Wed 07 May 08
Alan/Steve - dudes, learn to compete. and pick up some mandarin/hindi/arabic while you have the time, just in case you need to catch that flight to Dubai/Mumbai/Shanghai.
An isolationist mindset hasn't served many societies well. Economics 101 if you're at LBS.
Milan, Investment Banking / M & A, Wed 07 May 08
I would not agree to te fact that LBS has only Indians. As a matter of fact Indians are 15% of the batch size. So saying that LBS is not international is not at all true and more over people should understand that admissions at LBS are based on merit and no other criteria and this is the raeson why it is one of the best schools in the world.
Add your comment »Anon, Investment Banking / M & A, Wed 07 May 08
To Steve, Hedge Funds
May be you are feeling a bit unsecure right now... and I hope your job is not under attack here from an Indian - thats y there is a stink in your msg. I suggest you better concentrate on your work and not waste your time.
ANONYMOUS, Wed 07 May 08
Steve, does the Indians working or studying in the UK bother you in anyway?
Add your comment »Dave White, Capital Markets, Wed 07 May 08
Far too many Cowboys and Indians in the UK for my liking.
Add your comment »Captain Cook, Private Banking / Wealth Management, Wed 07 May 08
Dave, Alan, Steve, Anon, Local AAAce, good morning to all of you! Were you born in the 1700s & remained in a coma until yesterday? Can we please discuss the contents of this article instead of sundry topics & abstruse opinions on changing demographics?
Add your comment »indian mba, Student, Wed 07 May 08
Many of my Indian classmates at my programme came to UK because the school told them to come over here and even if it costs a lot of money, there was no problem since the school had plenty of alumni contacts and investment banks/consulting companies do come to campus. These students found a very different story. It was not that easy to secure a position in uk. A lot of them will continue to try and secure something to recoup the cost. They said that they would not have bothered to come if they were given an honest picture. This is same situation for indian doctors sitting for the overpriced PLAB exam and then having to pay for an short term internships to try and secure a post graduate seat. My question - why isn't there honesty in these instituitions? There are 90 students in my class of which there are 5 british,6 EU and 18 indians. School officials have said that if they considered just on merit and gmat score, majority of the students would be indian. It will not be international program. I wager that if international students decide not to study here - the british university system would collapse. Give an honest picture and less indians will come.
Add your comment »Anonymous, Trading, Wed 07 May 08
I am totally agree with indian mba student. I had similar experience after finishing my MBA. I couldn't find a proper job for 2.5 years after my MBA. University gave me absolutely false picture of the UK job market in it's glossy catalogue and animaed website. Majority of the international students are from India so if they stop coming to UK then British universities will be closed. Now there is a real urgent need for a campaign to stop Indian students to come to the UK for studies with false hopes for the bright future.
Add your comment »the maharaja, Capital Markets, Wed 07 May 08
Truth is Indians try harder, value education more and probably are more intelligent than a lot of the hooray henrys entering banking nowadays!
Add your comment »STEVE, Hedge Funds, Wed 07 May 08
not at all insecure. All indians who don't UK are welcome to go back to fantastic india. You have your own universities which are good, so nobody is forcing you to come here. At least give respect to a country once you are here. If you are so proud about your own country, then stay there and get educated there and get jobs there.
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