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Making the move to Mumbai

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These numbers work with local experience & local education. One needs to compete with grads from the Indian Institutes of Management for these positions. London experience doesn't usually carry much water in Mumbai.  Read all comments »

Wall Street and the Square Mile might be kicking investment bankers into the street, but India is taking them on by the team-load.

Sourabh Chattopadhyay, director of recruiters Options Group in Mumbai, says local players are competing for people with international banks: “Some international banks have lost key people in the last year and must bring in new talent to be competitive. Similarly, local players like Kotak, Enam and Edelweiss have been really building their investment banking platforms.”

UBS is looking to double its investment banking team in India; Citigroup has hired an Indian MD in preparation for an expansion; Merrill’s John Thain has said he wants to up the bank’s Indian operations; Goldman is launching new services; and even Dresdner is getting in on the act.

Hiring is aggressive, poaching is rife, and banks are lifting whole teams out of competitors, Chattopadhyay says.

Generous payouts are encouraging some Indian bankers, who might otherwise have worked in London or New York, to consider their options. Milan Sharma, a Masters in Finance student at London Business School and former assistant vice president in Axis Bank’s i-banking division, says he ideally wants to work in the City, but has already had a number of offers back in India.

“At a typical base of $100k, it’s not great money by Western standards, but the cost of living in Mumbai is considerably lower than in London,” he says.

Indian firms still opportunistically tap UK talent, but don’t expect to be treated like royalty, says Ronesh Puri, managing director of the New Delhi office of search firm Executive Access.

“Previously there was a dearth of good talent locally, and there was a premium paid for Western experience, but that’s no longer the case.”

M&A pay in top-tier Indian investment banks

Analyst (1st-3rd years) £20k-£32.5k (base), £25k-£40k (bonus)

Associate (1st-3rd years) £35k-£50k (base), £30k-£65k (bonus)

Vice president £62k (base), £100k-£138k (bonus)

Director £75k (base), £200k-£250k (bonus)

Managing director £100k (base), £300k-£400k (bonus)

Source: The Options Group (original figures in Indian rupees, converted at £1 = INR79.85)

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steve, Hedge Funds,  Wed 07 May 08

my job is not under attach from an indian. I am front office person and have no such worries. It's really very simple. If you don't like the UK and prefer India and think Uk experience won't help you in Mumbai, then by all means, please go to Mumbai. Why waste your time in London? Nobody, and I mean nobody is asking you to stay here, not for one minute. UK universities don't need Indians, we do very well  because our universities are world class and we will always have students fighting for places.

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xyz, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 08 May 08

Steve - it's understandable that you feel insecure, but you got to realise that London will attaract the best people from around the world as long as the opportunity is there and as long as the UK government does not restrict movement of talent into the country.  Time will come when you will be told to go back to whatever town you come from or your folks come from. Who needs you in London anyways ?

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Anonymous, Equities,  Thu 08 May 08

@Steve...

We do pay heed to the fact that we need to pay respect to the country where we stay.. But u really need to get ur facts right.. I studied at LSE ... and most of them hold world tours almost twice a year to get international students.. in case u havent noticed... most of the national and EU students are on student loans, and the universities make a loss of almost close to 500 quid per student per annum.. thats why these glossy pamphlets are printed and distributed.. International experience is more or less an opportunity to broaden your horizons, but then it depends on individual perspective, whether they want to come back or not. There are plenty who want to stay there, and do so... but many come back and get mediocre jobs, so the education is not as world class as u think

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Adam, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 08 May 08

@Steve
Indians take their decisions themselves and don't need any one's guidance or or whteva..

If u would have told this earlier that you are a front office person; this discussion wudnt have lasted this long....

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Andy India, Capital Markets,  Thu 08 May 08

Steve,guess you'r making this into a mud slinging forum instead of discussing the topic.Just to make you aware of the fact that a large portion of graduate colleges in UK earn their revenues from overseas students and majority of them come from India & China. In this globalised 21st century, its important to have cross cultural experience with increased tolerance levels. Your comments are immature

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The Real Steve, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 08 May 08

I am the real Steve,  the one posting messages here WAS in the front office and not IS in the front office. He drives Buses for Arriva from Stockwell to Aldwych, night shifts on weekends only. Available for day jobs as well if you have any.

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indian mba, Student,  Thu 08 May 08

Responding to Steve's comments. I have every respect for British people and UK, I just don't respect dishonesty. As to why Indians come here - it is to broaden their exposure. In some fields and industries, the international experience is irrelevant, but in others, it is important. Having lived in many countries, I have noticed that there is always something one country can learn from another. As to world class universities - my programme was considered one of the top in UK and world rankings. However having studied in 5 countries, the quality of teaching is about the same as all the other institutions I have studied with its own strengths and weaknesses. I have no regret studying here - the internationalness (94% were non UK)of the programme was incredibly wonderful, enriching and valuable for a global career. It was the key point of the programme. I would not have add that opportunity if I studied in India or for that matter in US.

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Mr. India,  Thu 08 May 08

It's not about Steve feeling insecure as I see it. He's quite right to say that you should respect the country you're in! There's no point in travelling all the way to the States/UK only to slag them off once you've got your money - you just turn into an annoyance rather than an asset. No one cares where you're from as long as you work hard and contribute your bit to whichever society.

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Steve, Hedge Funds,  Thu 08 May 08

I can see lots of indians getting touchy about my comments. If you honestly think UK education is not world class (and it is world class, of course), then as I keep saying, please feel free not to come to UK anymore. We will always have people fighting to come study here. As for people on grants, well they do pay taxes so there is no free ride for anyone. I am not at all insecure about my prospects in my country. I am not living in india and badmouthing india at the same time. Once you are here, respect this country, and it's people and enjoy yourself. It's such a shame to come here only to badmouth in a false sense of perception that UK education and experience is anything but world class. And if you don't think so, then India is growing and you are welcome to get educated there and find jobs there.

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Steve, Hedge Funds,  Thu 08 May 08

Uk universities will market themselves just like any company will. Just because Coca cola advertises globally does not mean anyone is forcing you to drink the product? Simple enough, right? Nobody forced you to come study in this country?

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