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Is it really that common to earn £1m+ at an inter-dealer broker?


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If they'd wake up and put IR and FX swaps and OTC vanillas on a screen where they belong, they could eliminate most of these IDBs and their fat commissions would evaporate.  Read all comments »

For an industry eager to shed its reputation for employing lavishly paid wheeler-dealer barrow boys, the ongoing legal tussle between inter-dealer brokers Tullett Prebon and BGC Partners is a PR nightmare. But are the sort of million pound plus packages allegedly offered to lure talent really reflective of the money you can earn in this industry?

Tullett Prebon, ranked second in the 'big five' inter-dealer brokers, is suing BGC over claims that it attempted to poach 55 key staff.

In the world of inter-dealer broking, client relationships are paramount, and had the staff defected much of their business would have travelled with them. Poaching activity is therefore common in the industry. But the scale of the Tullett defections is exceptional.

At the heart of the case is ex-Tullett COO, Tony Verrier, who moved to BGC and allegedly tried to convince staff to follow. He's said to have offered one individual and two of his staff £2m in cash, and £1m in stock if they would move and bring another two brokers with them. He also offered one person £3.5m upfront and another £1.9m for his team.

"When I hear the sort of figures being mentioned, it doesn't come as a great surprise," says Damien Lee, managing director of IDB recruiters Search Partners. "I've effectively been handed a blank cheque over the years to recruit the right people."

Base salaries from IDBs are often quite modest, coming in at around £80-120k depending on the product line and seniority, but the real money is made through taking a percentage of the money brokers bring in for the firms. This can be 30-50% at the main players - Icap, Tullett Prebon, GFI Group, BGC Partners and Tradition – but up to 70% at the smaller firms due to reduced earning potential.

Because of the legal implications both firms have remained tight-lipped, but BGC released a statement saying it "continues to attract top talent". Lee confirms that the IDB recruitment drive of the last 18 months carries on relatively unabated.

Since 2002, when a similar court case exposed a culture of bullying and expense accounts laden with lap-dancing club receipts, the industry has made moves to clean up its image.

Most firms now have formal graduate training schemes to develop a pipeline of talent, many now lock brokers into multi-year contracts and lately IDBs have looked to recruit from the investment banking sector.

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jayse, Trading,  Tue 27 Oct 09

no

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Johnny Moondog, Trading,  Tue 27 Oct 09

If they'd wake up and put IR and FX swaps and OTC vanillas on a screen where they belong, they could eliminate most of these IDBs and their fat commissions would evaporate.

"Formal graduate training schemes" for broking? You must be kidding.  Its all about connections and personality (some may even say bullshitting); two things that can't be taught.  What's the first lesson of the scheme, negotiating cheaper cover for your group at the door of the strip club?

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zoeanner,  Tue 27 Oct 09

Yes, have interviewed quite a few!

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Piet Pompie, Debt / Fixed Income,  Tue 27 Oct 09

I knew this chick once who worked as an IDB. She said that she had to take her clients out drinking about four times a week. She didn't mention anything about the lap dancing and brassing that went on as well but it was well known in the industry. They all had nick names. One was called "Gutter". He was a double vodka and red bull guy and his JHB license plate read "GUTTER". She ending up going off with an IDB from another broker. I was really hurt. However I had the last laugh when she went off to work at a major South African bank as a "bond trader". Yeh right!!! She lasted 6 months. I pi$$ed myself laughing. She just wasn't that bright. Just like these wide boys.

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david pearce, Capital Markets,  Tue 27 Oct 09

this is an industry that should have disappeared with the big bang in 85 - too many vested interests keep it going - why cant the dealers talk to each other (through computers!) rather than using an 'inter dealer broker' answer: because the Interdealer broker pays for the things the IBanker cant expense (booze and girls..)

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yaj, Trading,  Tue 27 Oct 09

whilst this is a bit of an over-simplification, david pearce makes a good point.

look at spot fx - voice brokers in non-EM currencies are pretty much defunct - all the liquidity is on the electronic platforms.

other asset classes will go this way with time. but for now, let the good times roll!

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allmuppets, Trading,  Tue 27 Oct 09

Brokers are your best friends.

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ToNYC, Consultancy,  Wed 28 Oct 09

Somali pirates and IDBs have much in common. They have taken a Failed State of non-transparent prices, illiquid securities sneaking off into the night fueled by rumor and innuendo. The crumbs could stop a lorry in its tracks but the swag that falls off feeds the tribe and the pays off the straights to keep it coming. Long live the IDBs!

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Egghead, Asset Management,  Wed 28 Oct 09

Plus you get appearance fees for doing your 'trader act' for the television news.  Every little helps, right?

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ale, Debt / Fixed Income,  Thu 29 Oct 09

Once again I dont understand which is the problem here: I have spent 1 year in broking and then moved into 8years in trading, so I know both sides. If people are keen to pay those amount well I suggest to the ones who find it absurd to try to join.....  as long you pay all taxes required. The real problem is that many bankers would like to do earn the broking pays but do not want to be the "trader's slaves" but instead want to be "the important guy" when you go out...
the rule is simple: give up your pride and any analytical skills and you might get paid a lot as IDB...or  keep your pride and use your brain and in that case stay in the bank...  all the rest is done by the mkt idea of supply&demand for labour (unless we want to change to a more comunist way of thinking...)

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